Posts by The Fall Guy

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For Christians: What do you think about an Armagedon and the Afterlife

by John Davis in

i don't mean for anyone to get into argument over this, i just want to hear what people believe.i hope that no one will mock or argue with someone else about their beliefs, i know that i won't in this topic.. i still believe in a christian god, not what jws believe, but believe that there has to be something after this life.

i am not sure about how armageddon would go, would it be like how evangelicals believe with a rapture or timing or anything, though i still believe in a form of armageddon.

i do think that all good people will go to heaven but i don't believe in a hell.

The Fall Guy

Since Christians are by definition followers of Jesus Christ, I often wondered why the vast majority never considered his words at the sermon on the mount: Matthew 5:5 - "The meek will inherit the earth."

Or Psalm 37:9,11, & 29 which Jesus was clearly alluding to.

Revelation 21:3,4 relates what the conditions on earth will be for humans.

People being taught that they immediately "go to heaven when they die" also confounds what Jesus said about his resurrecting people "on the last day."

If deceased people are in heaven watching their loved ones on earth suffering all sorts of terrible trials and tribulations for years, would you call that "heaven?" Just my thoughts.

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The old "Book Study Group"

by The Fall Guy in

in the june 2004 kingdom ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a q&a item - "the congregation book study—why we need it.

three years later, in 2007 - in the august kingdom ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "how the congregation book study arrangement helps us.

but surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the book study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous: .

The Fall Guy

IN the June 2004 Kingdom Ministry, the self-appointed "faithful slave" published this spiritual exhortation as a Q&A item - "The Congregation Book Study—Why We Need It."

Three years later, in 2007 - in the August Kingdom Ministry - the same "slave" issued this reminder - "How the Congregation Book Study Arrangement Helps Us."

But surprise, surprise - within a few short months the "slave" decided that Jehovah had had a change of heart, and now decided that the Book Study in homes - with all of its alleged benefits - was superfluous:

km 10/08 - New Congregation Meeting Schedule - "During the week of April 21-27, 2008, the worldwide brotherhood heard an exciting announcement. “Commencing January 1, 2009, the Congregation Book Study will be held at the same time as the Theocratic Ministry School and the Service Meeting. The name of the Congregation Book Study will be changed to Congregation Bible Study.”

Was it just a coincidence that the intervening September 2007 KM warned J.W.'s not to get together in "independent groups" to do Biblical research? What was the "slave" really worried about?

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To Fade or Disassociate

by Jules Saturn in

hello to all, so i did want to talk about this topic because i think it is very important to me.

i have a grandfather who faded several decades ago.

he occasionally attends an assembly and the memorial but no longer attends meetings or goes on field service.

The Fall Guy

Jules, this is your crossroads and no one can tell you which direction is the best one to take. Just weigh up the consequences of your choice in the balance, and do what's best for you.

If you choose fading, then "cautious & innocent" should be forefront in your mind when in most J.W.'s company.

As for any loaded questions from elders and others, simply say "thanks for asking, but I can't discuss things at this time."

If you ever act bolshy/confident with elders, they may view your demeanour as a challenge to their "authority" and a "disrespecting of glorious ones." Avoid doing so if you want to fade. Take small steps as you travel on this road.

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"You're going to die in Armageddon"

by Jules Saturn in

i'm sure i am not the only one to have heard this come out of the mouths of my loved ones.

it's a very painful thing to hear, especially when it comes from the people like your own parents/family.

even after i've been told that, they would say "we'll just continue life without you.

The Fall Guy

Jules, you can thank such ones for saving Christ the hassle of judging people. :)

Nine Scriptures reveal that the living & the dead will be judged by Christ Jesus - not by the WTBTS: John 5:28,29, Acts 10:42, Acts 17:31, Romans 14:9, 2 Cor. 5:10, 2 Tim. 4:1, 1 Pet. 4:5, Rev. 11:18 & 20:12.

Revelation 11:18 reveals when his judging would begin, "But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time came for the dead to be judged and to reward your slaves the prophets and the holy ones and those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

As far as I'm aware, that scenario hasn't occurred yet, so the org's dogma that all of their deceased "anointed" ones are up in heaven right now now, is another fairy story concocted by the WTBTS.

They are literally dying for the org's version of the great tribulation. :(

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Hello

by Jules Saturn in

hello, i've been lurking for quite some time here on this forum, reading a whole lot and i've finally made the courage to create an account as a form of escape and in hopes to be understood and not feel "mentally diseased".

little background on me, i am a born in but i consider myself a pimo (physically in mentally out).

i feel like i've always had doubts but these doubts would sink with the meetings and the assemblies and every other little thing that drowns any doubts a witness may have.

The Fall Guy

Hi Jules, welcome to the forum. I hope you find help and encouragement here from other contributors. I've sent you a P.M. with some things which have reinforced my decisions and resolve.

Best wishes.

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Does this remind you of another company we know & love? - PR experts

by doubtfull1799 in

this is a mock interview with a fictional character who is a pr rep in an australian comedy/parody of the public service.

the show is called utopia.

this was a pro piece for thew start of the new season.

The Fall Guy

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Huge article(s) in Dutch media on JW child abuse

by Anders Andersen in

so today the well-respected and serious newspaper trouw.nl came with child abuse within the jw as their topmost frontpage article.. the articles are well researched and aim primarily at the dutch jw situation.. afaik at least on member of this forum assisted the newspaper with the articles.

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other media are picking up as well.....

The Fall Guy

Governments in the developed world can no longer turn a blind eye to the continuing stream of damning evidence regarding the WTBTS's concealment and protection of thousands of J.W. child-rapists within its Kingdom Halls.

When one government decides to take robust legal action to deal with the org, the other dominoes will rapidly fall.

Paedophile J.W.'s are already in their paradise - thanks to the "faithfully perverted slave" in Warwick.

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Seeking Recommendations for Key Leaflets/Books for a Paper

by Ja.Wein in

hello friends,.

i am writing a paper on the teachings of the jws with a friend where we are going to debunk their bible translations and other false teachings/predictions the church has taught over the years.. i have never been a jw so this has put me in a bit of a pinch so i thought i would turn here to ask you guys for some help.. what are some of the key books/leaflets that debunk, or outline, the many false teachings/predictions of the jws?.

i asked jwfacts and he told me to ask here so i thought i would.. anyway, thanks..

The Fall Guy

Welcome Ja. Wein. You have a P.M.

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My review of the latest convention!

by stuckinarut2 in

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The Fall Guy

:) Spot on - for every J.W. event!!

Human Rights in Russia - and elsewhere

by The Fall Guy in

the org will do all it can to capitalise and highlight the persecution and brutal treatment of r&f j.w.

's which has already occurred, and which will almost certainly increase.

many governments & institutions will condemn the judgement as a human rights violation.. such bodies should remember that human rights is a two-way street, and force the wtbts - wherever they open up shop - to recognise every j.w.

The Fall Guy

The org will do all it can to capitalise and highlight the persecution and brutal treatment of r&f J.W.'s which has already occurred, and which will almost certainly increase. Many governments & institutions will condemn the judgement as a human rights violation.

Such bodies should remember that human rights is a two-way street, and force the WTBTS - wherever they open up shop - to recognise every J.W.'s human right to be adequately & legally represented at Judicial Committee hearings, should they find themselves in such a situation.

Virtually every company/organization in the developed world is required by law to forewarn its users/customers of any potential risks or side-effects. Potential recruits of the WTBTS should be clearly warned - at the outset - the inhuman penalties they may face as a baptised J.W. if they commit a serious sin, challenge/disagree with a teaching, or simply state they no longer class themselves as one of J.W.'s.

It's time for the human rights baseball bat to be used on the WTBTS.